From dmccue@uci.edu Wed Sep 1 23:33:42 2004 Received: from Linserve.due.uci.edu (admin60.due.uci.edu [128.200.182.60]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i826XfUS008659 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:33:42 -0700 Received: from Linserve.due.uci.edu (Linserve.due.uci.edu [127.0.0.1]) by Linserve.due.uci.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i826VbOl003721 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:31:37 -0700 Received: from localhost (dmccue@localhost)i826Vbwa003717 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:31:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: Linserve.due.uci.edu: dmccue owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 23:31:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave McCue X-X-Sender: dmccue@Linserve.due.uci.edu To: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Bprockets] Welcome! X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 06:33:42 -0000 Hello to all black powder rocket makers! This list has been established to facilitate discussion among makers of BP rockets. It is the result of a discussion between David Sleeter, auther of "Amateur Rocket Motor Construction" and Dave McCue, provider of several email discussion lists for the rocketry community. The forum rules allow occasional advertising by list members, as long as it is related to the purpose of the list. Members are expected to be civil to one another, we are all here to learn and share our interest and experiences and disagreement is to be expected. Let's just keep it friendly, ok? Regards, Dave McCue From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Thu Sep 16 16:25:58 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8GNPwWq016298 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:25:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 4966 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2004 23:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 16 Sep 2004 23:27:40 -0000 Message-ID: <0ff901c49c5f$72d7ada0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:38:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: [BProckets] Location X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:25:58 -0000 Anyone in Ontario? From fitzskis@fuse.net Thu Sep 16 16:41:20 2004 Received: from smtp3.fuse.net (mail-out3.fuse.net [216.68.8.176]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8GNfKWq016315 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:41:20 -0700 Received: from gx6.fuse.net ([216.68.8.199]) by smtp3.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040916234302.KUJH15766.smtp3.fuse.net@gx6.fuse.net> for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:43:02 -0400 Received: from smtp.fuse.net ([216.68.8.199]) by gx6.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20040916234301.TOIB5112.gx6.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:43:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) X-Originating-IP: [216.68.196.8] From: To: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:43:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040916234301.TOIB5112.gx6.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> Subject: [BProckets] test X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:41:20 -0000 I'll never forget how to spell amateur again.Ned From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Thu Sep 16 17:26:25 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8H0QOWq016421 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:26:25 -0700 Received: (qmail 9926 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2004 00:28:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 00:28:07 -0000 Message-ID: <102401c49c67$e4bfdc00$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: "Black Powder rockets discussion list" References: <0ff901c49c5f$72d7ada0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> Subject: Re: [BProckets]Photos Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 20:39:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:26:25 -0000 We should organise a site to post out completed motors and rockets we made for them. From fitzskis@fuse.net Fri Sep 17 04:21:29 2004 Received: from smtp1.fuse.net (mail-out1.fuse.net [216.68.8.174]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8HBLTWq019167 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 04:21:29 -0700 Received: from gx5.fuse.net ([216.68.8.199]) by smtp1.fuse.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040917112309.NJMS9752.smtp1.fuse.net@gx5.fuse.net> for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:23:09 -0400 Received: from smtp.fuse.net ([216.68.8.199]) by gx5.fuse.net (InterMail vG.1.00.00.00 201-2136-104-20040331) with SMTP id <20040917112309.VMRS7655.gx5.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:23:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) X-Originating-IP: [66.42.158.212] From: To: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:23:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040917112309.VMRS7655.gx5.fuse.net@smtp.fuse.net> Subject: [BProckets] [Fwd: "The Book"] X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:21:29 -0000 > > From: > > Very recently I received Dave Sleeter's book in a shipment of 'stuff' from Skylighter......And I just have one comment concerning it...'Wow!' > > I can only imagine the work that went into this volume. I've just scratched the surface when it comes to studying it, and I'm looking forward to spending more time with it. It looks like a very interesting and unique approach to the whole subject. > > One request, Dave......keep working on that end burner section.....on behalf of those of us who would like to develop reliable end burning drivers for stuff like girandolas and the like. > > Thanks very much for your efforts, Ned Gorski > From jtmadziar@cox.net Fri Sep 17 10:16:50 2004 Received: from fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (fed1rmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.241.36]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8HHGnWq020338 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:16:50 -0700 Received: from cox.net ([68.101.187.86]) by fed1rmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040917171827.QBFO27649.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:18:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:18:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Joseph Madziarczyk To: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <96048436-08CD-11D9-8917-0050E410FA3B@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Subject: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:16:50 -0000 Hi all, Bruce makes these great #20 BP rockets. His formula is 60, 30, 10. Does anyone know what mesh charcoal(s) he is using? Joe From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Fri Sep 17 10:39:25 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8HHdOWq020438 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:39:24 -0700 Received: (qmail 26919 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2004 17:41:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 17 Sep 2004 17:41:07 -0000 Message-ID: <12bd01c49cf8$34f4d6e0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: "Black Powder rockets discussion list" References: <96048436-08CD-11D9-8917-0050E410FA3B@cox.net> Subject: Re: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:52:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:39:25 -0000 I would imagine airfloat since he usses excess fuel from the classic formula. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Madziarczyk" To: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets > Hi all, > Bruce makes these great #20 BP rockets. His formula is 60, 30, 10. > Does anyone know what mesh charcoal(s) he is using? > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > BProckets mailing list > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > From jtmadziar@cox.net Fri Sep 17 11:06:35 2004 Received: from fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (fed1rmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.241.33]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8HI6ZWq020513 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:06:35 -0700 Received: from cox.net ([68.101.187.86]) by fed1rmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040917180813.IIUG6892.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:08:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:08:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Joseph Madziarczyk To: Black Powder rockets discussion list Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <12bd01c49cf8$34f4d6e0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> Message-Id: <8B43FE29-08D4-11D9-8917-0050E410FA3B@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:06:35 -0000 I would say air float too, but I had thought that at that size maybe he was slowing down the mix with a mixture of air float and coarse charcoals. I have tooling for a 2"id bp rocket and was going to press out a couple this weekend. Since the bore is close to his, 2 1/4", I wanted use a mix closer to the 20# than a 6#. JOE On Friday, September 17, 2004, at 01:52 PM, mrgizmo wrote: > I would imagine airfloat since he usses excess fuel from the classic > formula. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Madziarczyk" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:18 AM > Subject: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets > > >> Hi all, >> Bruce makes these great #20 BP rockets. His formula is 60, 30, 10. >> Does anyone know what mesh charcoal(s) he is using? >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BProckets mailing list >> BProckets@amateurrocketry.com >> http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > BProckets mailing list > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > From scubadoo2@verizon.net Fri Sep 17 11:26:45 2004 Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8HIQiWq020563 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:26:45 -0700 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([192.168.1.3]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040917182827.OZIL8960.out008.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:28:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: Doug To: Subject: Re: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:28:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [192.168.1.3] at Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:28:27 -0500 Message-Id: <20040917182827.OZIL8960.out008.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:26:45 -0000 If my memory serves me correctly, from his video, he grinds his own, and then mills his BP for several hours, at which point he adds his own 80 mesh to the mix. Assuming he has not changed his procedure. I will look at the video again and verify tonight. DougK > > From: Joseph Madziarczyk > Date: 2004/09/17 Fri PM 01:18:26 EDT > To: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com > Subject: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets > > Hi all, > Bruce makes these great #20 BP rockets. His formula is 60, 30, 10. > Does anyone know what mesh charcoal(s) he is using? > > Joe From scubadoo2@verizon.net Fri Sep 17 11:31:37 2004 Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8HIVaWq020576 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:31:37 -0700 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([192.168.1.3]) by out010.verizon.net ESMTP <20040917183319.TKKD23744.out010.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:33:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: Doug To: Black Powder rockets discussion list Subject: Re: Re: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:33:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [192.168.1.3] at Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:33:19 -0500 Message-Id: <20040917183319.TKKD23744.out010.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:31:37 -0000 Joe, Are you using the fiberglass gas line tubing??? (Redline I think it's called??) Doug > > From: Joseph Madziarczyk > Date: 2004/09/17 Fri PM 02:08:14 EDT > To: Black Powder rockets discussion list > Subject: Re: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets > > I would say air float too, but I had thought that at that size maybe he > was slowing down the mix with a mixture of air float and coarse > charcoals. > > I have tooling for a 2"id bp rocket and was going to press out a couple > this weekend. Since the bore is close to his, 2 1/4", I wanted use a > mix closer to the 20# than a 6#. > > > JOE > > > On Friday, September 17, 2004, at 01:52 PM, mrgizmo wrote: > > > I would imagine airfloat since he usses excess fuel from the classic > > formula. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joseph Madziarczyk" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:18 AM > > Subject: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets > > > > > >> Hi all, > >> Bruce makes these great #20 BP rockets. His formula is 60, 30, 10. > >> Does anyone know what mesh charcoal(s) he is using? > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BProckets mailing list > >> BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > >> http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BProckets mailing list > > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > > > > _______________________________________________ > BProckets mailing list > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > From jtmadziar@cox.net Fri Sep 17 11:44:10 2004 Received: from fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (fed1rmmtao09.cox.net [68.230.241.30]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8HIiAWq020594 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:44:10 -0700 Received: from cox.net ([68.101.187.86]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20040917184550.AMR1902.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Fri, 17 Sep 2004 14:45:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:45:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Joseph Madziarczyk To: Black Powder rockets discussion list Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20040917183319.TKKD23744.out010.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 18:44:11 -0000 Hi Doug, I actually have two kinds of fiberglass tubing, one in yellow with the distinctive glass cloth and the other is a dark red that looks like it is spiraled up. In any event although they say they are 2" the 2" is nominal as it is actually closer to 2.25". My tooling is 2.00", so I have a bit of slack. Fortunately I have paper tubing that is 2" ID and 2.25" OD. I am going to marry the one tube in the other. The comp will be pressed with a hydraulic press so the combination of the two tubes should work. JOE On Friday, September 17, 2004, at 11:33 AM, Doug wrote: > Joe, > Are you using the fiberglass gas line tubing??? (Redline I think it's > called??) > Doug >> >> From: Joseph Madziarczyk >> Date: 2004/09/17 Fri PM 02:08:14 EDT >> To: Black Powder rockets discussion list >> >> Subject: Re: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets >> >> I would say air float too, but I had thought that at that size maybe >> he >> was slowing down the mix with a mixture of air float and coarse >> charcoals. >> >> I have tooling for a 2"id bp rocket and was going to press out a >> couple >> this weekend. Since the bore is close to his, 2 1/4", I wanted use a >> mix closer to the 20# than a 6#. >> >> >> JOE >> >> >> On Friday, September 17, 2004, at 01:52 PM, mrgizmo wrote: >> >>> I would imagine airfloat since he usses excess fuel from the classic >>> formula. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joseph Madziarczyk" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:18 AM >>> Subject: [BProckets] BP mix for #20 rockets >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> Bruce makes these great #20 BP rockets. His formula is 60, 30, 10. >>>> Does anyone know what mesh charcoal(s) he is using? >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BProckets mailing list >>>> BProckets@amateurrocketry.com >>>> http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BProckets mailing list >>> BProckets@amateurrocketry.com >>> http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BProckets mailing list >> BProckets@amateurrocketry.com >> http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets >> > > _______________________________________________ > BProckets mailing list > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Sat Sep 18 15:44:19 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8IMiIWq025991 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 15:44:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 8125 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 22:46:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 22:46:00 -0000 Message-ID: <13d301c49deb$f9b99120$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: "Black Powder rockets discussion list" References: <96048436-08CD-11D9-8917-0050E410FA3B@cox.net> <12bd01c49cf8$34f4d6e0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> Subject: Re: [BProckets]Great launch Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 18:57:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 22:44:19 -0000 Successfull test launch of another rocket powered by a Teleflite G-75. Milled for 11 hours, 1 TBSP water per pound of propellent in a dry case. Something percullier I noticed was very little smoke. Rocket was 4' long X 1.5" diam. it must have went up 2000' , I have never seen a rocket go that high. The recovery failed to deploy, but at most times during its descent it was falling horizontal, which I though it would have nose dived, I lost it in the bush, time for a bigger field!! From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Sun Sep 19 08:44:17 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8JFiHWq001979 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 08:44:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 18256 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2004 15:46:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 19 Sep 2004 15:46:01 -0000 Message-ID: <147b01c49e7a$797b29d0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: "Black Powder rockets discussion list" References: <96048436-08CD-11D9-8917-0050E410FA3B@cox.net> <12bd01c49cf8$34f4d6e0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> Subject: Re: [BProckets] Ejection charge calculation Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:57:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:44:17 -0000 Any way to calculate the size of ejection charge needed? From Potrocs@aol.com Sun Sep 19 09:15:05 2004 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8JGF5Wq002084 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:15:05 -0700 Received: from Potrocs@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_gc_dev1.2.) id p.1ed.2b370a56 (17079) for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:16:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Potrocs@aol.com Message-ID: <1ed.2b370a56.2e7f0ae3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:16:35 EDT Subject: Re: [BProckets] Ejection charge calculation To: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ed.2b370a56.2e7f0ae3_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10708 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:15:05 -0000 --part1_1ed.2b370a56.2e7f0ae3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/19/04 10:46:29 AM Central Daylight Time, mrgizmo@vianet.ca writes: > Any way to calculate the size of ejection charge needed? > >>> Try this.... Black Powder Sizing Hope it helps Pat G --part1_1ed.2b370a56.2e7f0ae3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a me= ssage dated 9/19/04 10:46:29 AM Central Daylight Time, mrgizmo@vianet.ca wri= tes:


Any way to calculate the size o= f ejection charge needed?


>>>

Try this....
Black Powder=20= Sizing

Hope it helps

Pat G --part1_1ed.2b370a56.2e7f0ae3_boundary-- From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Sun Sep 19 11:36:58 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8JIavWq002915 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:36:58 -0700 Received: (qmail 28884 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2004 18:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 19 Sep 2004 18:38:41 -0000 Message-ID: <14aa01c49e92$98bc7d40$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: "Black Powder rockets discussion list" References: <1ed.2b370a56.2e7f0ae3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [BProckets] Ejection charge calculation Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:49:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_14A7_01C49E57.EC4F4D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:36:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_14A7_01C49E57.EC4F4D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thats a good site, thanks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Potrocs@aol.com=20 To: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [BProckets] Ejection charge calculation In a message dated 9/19/04 10:46:29 AM Central Daylight Time, = mrgizmo@vianet.ca writes: Any way to calculate the size of ejection charge needed? >>> Try this.... Black Powder Sizing=20 Hope it helps Pat G=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ BProckets mailing list BProckets@amateurrocketry.com http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets ------=_NextPart_000_14A7_01C49E57.EC4F4D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thats a good site, thanks
----- Original Message -----
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Any way to calculate the size of ejection charge=20 needed?


>>>

Try this....
Black = Powder=20 Sizing

Hope it helps

Pat G=20

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 ------=_NextPart_000_14A7_01C49E57.EC4F4D60-- From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Tue Sep 21 20:34:50 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8M3YnWq012937 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:34:49 -0700 Received: (qmail 31392 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 03:36:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 03:36:35 -0000 Message-ID: <014401c4a06e$ce48a2d0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: "Black Powder rockets discussion list" References: <1ed.2b370a56.2e7f0ae3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [BProckets] Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:38:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0141_01C4A034.21E054F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:34:50 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0141_01C4A034.21E054F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting projects going on. ------=_NextPart_000_0141_01C4A034.21E054F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0141_01C4A034.21E054F0-- From flinthapirat@yahoo.com Wed Sep 22 00:04:56 2004 Received: from web21121.mail.yahoo.com (web21121.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.227.168]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8M74uWq013800 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:04:56 -0700 Message-ID: <20040922070642.95172.qmail@web21121.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [132.72.79.184] by web21121.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:06:42 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:06:42 -0700 (PDT) From: flint hapirat Subject: Re: [BProckets] To: Black Powder rockets discussion list In-Reply-To: <014401c4a06e$ce48a2d0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:04:56 -0000 Just a slow start. Flint --- mrgizmo wrote: > Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting > projects going on.> _______________________________________________ > BProckets mailing list > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com From billmac92364@yahoo.com Wed Sep 22 05:23:17 2004 Received: from web51903.mail.yahoo.com (web51903.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.46]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8MCNGWq014716 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:23:17 -0700 Message-ID: <20040922122503.71771.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.63.12] by web51903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:25:03 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:25:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill McAlister Subject: Re: [BProckets] To: Black Powder rockets discussion list In-Reply-To: <20040922070642.95172.qmail@web21121.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-882589794-1095855903=:70600" X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:23:17 -0000 --0-882589794-1095855903=:70600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Im just getting started in makeing rockets. I would like to make my BP insted of buy it. Is this realy feesable time and money wise? I have an exelent ball mill and ceramic media. the ball mill is about 1 gal capasity. How much would you recomend makeing for a first time batch. ..I plan on makeing 4lbs rockets Any sugestions or first time traps to avoid? flint hapirat wrote: Just a slow start. Flint --- mrgizmo wrote: > Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting > projects going on.> _______________________________________________ > BProckets mailing list > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ BProckets mailing list BProckets@amateurrocketry.com http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! --0-882589794-1095855903=:70600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Im just getting started in makeing rockets. I would like to make my BP insted of buy it. Is this realy feesable time and money wise? I have an exelent ball mill and ceramic media. the ball mill is about 1 gal capasity. How much would you recomend makeing for a first time batch. ..I plan on makeing 4lbs rockets
 
Any sugestions or first time traps to avoid?

flint hapirat <flinthapirat@yahoo.com> wrote:
Just a slow start.
Flint
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> projects going on.>
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Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! --0-882589794-1095855903=:70600-- From DanDurachko@PSU.edu Wed Sep 22 05:48:09 2004 Received: from f05n03.cac.psu.edu (f05s03.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.46]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MCm8Wq014780 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:48:08 -0700 Received: from durachkosdell ([128.118.84.66]) by f05n03.cac.psu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8MCnsBT059814 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:49:54 -0400 From: "Dan Durachko" To: "'Black Powder rockets discussion list'" Subject: RE: [BProckets] Growing Pains . . . Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:49:54 -0400 Message-ID: <00e401c4a0a2$a8857080$42547680@durachkosdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E5_01C4A081.21764180" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <014401c4a06e$ce48a2d0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:48:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01C4A081.21764180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting projects going on. I'm anxiously awaiting the launch of my first rocket built using the info in Sleeter's book. It'll be awhile but I'll post results when I have them. If I find the time it'll be in a couple of weeks. ------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01C4A081.21764180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>Man this group is dead = lately. Any interesting projects going = on.

 

I’m anxiously awaiting the = launch of my first rocket built using the info in Sleeter’s book.

 

It’ll be awhile but = I’ll post results when I have them.  = If I find the time it’ll be in a couple of weeks.

------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01C4A081.21764180-- From DanDurachko@PSU.edu Wed Sep 22 05:53:44 2004 Received: from f05n03.cac.psu.edu (f05s03.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.46]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MCriWq014796 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 05:53:44 -0700 Received: from durachkosdell ([128.118.84.66]) by f05n03.cac.psu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8MCtUvM064910 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:55:30 -0400 From: "Dan Durachko" To: "'Black Powder rockets discussion list'" Subject: RE: [BProckets] Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:55:29 -0400 Message-ID: <00f001c4a0a3$70695080$42547680@durachkosdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C4A081.E957B080" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20040922122503.71771.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:53:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C4A081.E957B080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Im just getting started in makeing rockets. I would like to make my BP insted of buy it. Is this realy feesable time and money wise? I have an exelent ball mill and ceramic media. the ball mill is about 1 gal capasity. How much would you recomend makeing for a first time batch. ..I plan on makeing 4lbs rockets Any sugestions or first time traps to avoid? Buy David Sleeter's superb book Amateur Rocket Motor Construction. You won't be sorry. Available on eBay. Worth every penny. ------=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C4A081.E957B080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Im just getting started in makeing rockets. I would = like to make my BP insted of buy it. Is this realy feesable time and money wise? = I have an exelent ball mill and ceramic media. the ball mill is about 1 gal = capasity. How much would you recomend makeing for a first time batch. ..I plan on = makeing 4lbs rockets

 

Any sugestions or first time traps to avoid? =

 

Buy = David Sleeter’s superb book Amateur Rocket Motor Construction.  You won’t be sorry.  Available = on eBay.  Worth every = penny.

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_00F1_01C4A081.E957B080-- From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Wed Sep 22 06:33:02 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8MDX1Wq014980 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:33:01 -0700 Received: (qmail 8948 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 13:34:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 13:34:48 -0000 Message-ID: <019001c4a0c2$60ba7af0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: "Black Powder rockets discussion list" References: <00e401c4a0a2$a8857080$42547680@durachkosdell> Subject: Re: [BProckets] Growing Pains . . . Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:36:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_018D_01C4A087.B4464630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:33:02 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_018D_01C4A087.B4464630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Which one are you planning on making? Are you at the testing phase yet? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dan Durachko=20 To: 'Black Powder rockets discussion list'=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:49 AM Subject: RE: [BProckets] Growing Pains . . . >Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting projects going on. =20 I'm anxiously awaiting the launch of my first rocket built using the = info in Sleeter's book. =20 It'll be awhile but I'll post results when I have them. If I find the = time it'll be in a couple of weeks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ BProckets mailing list BProckets@amateurrocketry.com http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets ------=_NextPart_000_018D_01C4A087.B4464630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Which one are you planning on making? = Are you at=20 the testing phase yet?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dan = Durachko
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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, = 2004 5:49=20 AM
Subject: RE: [BProckets] = Growing Pains .=20 . .

>Man this=20 group is dead lately. Any interesting projects = going=20 on.

 

I=92m = anxiously=20 awaiting the launch of my first rocket built using the info in Sleeter=92s book.

 

It=92ll be = awhile but=20 I=92ll post results when I have them. =20 If I find the time it=92ll be in a couple of=20 weeks.

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------=_NextPart_000_018D_01C4A087.B4464630-- From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Wed Sep 22 06:36:13 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8MDaCWq015000 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:36:13 -0700 Received: (qmail 9720 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 13:37:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 13:37:59 -0000 Message-ID: <01a301c4a0c2$d2df0fb0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: "Black Powder rockets discussion list" References: <20040922122503.71771.qmail@web51903.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [BProckets] Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:40:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C4A088.2671DFD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:36:13 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C4A088.2671DFD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would recommend you get the Teleflite book, but yes it is more = worthwhile making your own powder, but you CANNOT USE CERAMIC MEDIA, use = only lead or even better brass pellets. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill McAlister=20 To: Black Powder rockets discussion list=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [BProckets]=20 Im just getting started in makeing rockets. I would like to make my BP = insted of buy it. Is this realy feesable time and money wise? I have an = exelent ball mill and ceramic media. the ball mill is about 1 gal = capasity. How much would you recomend makeing for a first time batch. = ..I plan on makeing 4lbs rockets Any sugestions or first time traps to avoid?=20 flint hapirat wrote: Just a slow start.=20 Flint --- mrgizmo wrote: > Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting > projects going on.> _______________________________________________ > BProckets mailing list > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets >=20 _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ BProckets mailing list BProckets@amateurrocketry.com http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ BProckets mailing list BProckets@amateurrocketry.com http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets ------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C4A088.2671DFD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  I would recommend you get the = Teleflite=20 book, but yes it is more worthwhile making your own powder, but you = CANNOT USE=20 CERAMIC MEDIA, use only lead or even better brass pellets.
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------=_NextPart_000_01A0_01C4A088.2671DFD0-- From DanDurachko@PSU.edu Wed Sep 22 07:11:33 2004 Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MEBXWq015181 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:11:33 -0700 Received: from durachkosdell ([128.118.84.66]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8MEDFxF135426 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:13:17 -0400 From: "Dan Durachko" To: "'Black Powder rockets discussion list'" Subject: RE: [BProckets] Growing Pains . . . Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:13:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c4a0ae$4e15ed30$42547680@durachkosdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <019001c4a0c2$60ba7af0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:11:33 -0000 >>>Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting projects going on. >>I'm anxiously awaiting the launch of my first rocket built using the info in Sleeter's book. >>It'll be awhile but I'll post results when I have them. If I find the time it'll be in a couple of weeks. >Which one are you planning on making? Are you at the testing phase yet? I have EVERYTHING made but a test stand and need to actually ram (pack) my test engine(s). I'm making the suggested first engine - a KG3-26. Just have very little time lately to proceed further. I'll be posting my tests, etc. on my personal website in the form of text and videos. I'll notify this group when I post the information on my website. Also, I'll be auctioning off a full set of high quality tooling on eBay. (I made two while I was at it.) From scubadoo2@verizon.net Wed Sep 22 07:21:11 2004 Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MELBWq015210 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:21:11 -0700 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([192.168.1.1]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040922142258.KSRF8960.out008.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:22:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: Doug To: Black Powder rockets discussion list , Black Powder rockets discussion list Subject: Re: Re: [BProckets] Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:22:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=____1095862978031_bgR8EtQWzj" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [192.168.1.1] at Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:22:58 -0500 Message-Id: <20040922142258.KSRF8960.out008.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:21:12 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1095862978031_bgR8EtQWzj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Couple of suggestions: Yes, it is feasible to make your own. Buy a book on the subject if you have no experience. One is Dave Sleeters, it's the most recent book on the subject, but there are other. AFN sells several. Do not use ceramic media in your mill, most people use lead media. Ceramic and plastic media can produce sparks and have caused explosions in ball mills. Regards, DougK > > From: Bill McAlister > Date: 2004/09/22 Wed AM 08:25:03 EDT > To: Black Powder rockets discussion list > Subject: Re: [BProckets] > > Im just getting started in makeing rockets. I would like to make my BP insted of buy it. Is this realy feesable time and money wise? I have an exelent ball mill and ceramic media. the ball mill is about 1 gal capasity. How much would you recomend makeing for a first time batch. ..I plan on makeing 4lbs rockets > > Any sugestions or first time traps to avoid? ------=____1095862978031_bgR8EtQWzj Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="replyAll" Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ BProckets mailing list BProckets@amateurrocketry.com http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets ------=____1095862978031_bgR8EtQWzj-- From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Wed Sep 22 07:40:20 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8MEeKWq015342 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:40:20 -0700 Received: (qmail 23003 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 14:42:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 14:42:06 -0000 Message-ID: <01f401c4a0cb$c802d2d0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: "Black Powder rockets discussion list" References: <000c01c4a0ae$4e15ed30$42547680@durachkosdell> Subject: Re: [BProckets] Growing Pains . . . Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:44:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:40:20 -0000 For testing mine I use a tube from a roll of carpet, they are very thick and will survive many motor tests. Its also pretty cool to see the flames and smoke comming out of it, just make sure, nozzle side up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Durachko" To: "'Black Powder rockets discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [BProckets] Growing Pains . . . > >>>Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting projects going on. > > >>I'm anxiously awaiting the launch of my first rocket built using the > info in Sleeter's book. > >>It'll be awhile but I'll post results when I have them. If I find the > time it'll be in a couple of weeks. > > >Which one are you planning on making? Are you at the testing phase yet? > > I have EVERYTHING made but a test stand and need to actually ram (pack) > my test engine(s). > > I'm making the suggested first engine - a KG3-26. Just have very little > time lately to proceed further. > > I'll be posting my tests, etc. on my personal website in the form of > text and videos. I'll notify this group when I post the information on > my website. > > Also, I'll be auctioning off a full set of high quality tooling on eBay. > (I made two while I was at it.) > > > _______________________________________________ > BProckets mailing list > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > From billmac92364@yahoo.com Wed Sep 22 07:47:08 2004 Received: from web51904.mail.yahoo.com (web51904.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.47]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8MEl7Wq015370 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:47:08 -0700 Message-ID: <20040922144816.357.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.63.12] by web51904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:48:16 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill McAlister Subject: Re: [BProckets] To: Black Powder rockets discussion list In-Reply-To: <01a301c4a0c2$d2df0fb0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-325827845-1095864496=:94147" X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:47:08 -0000 --0-325827845-1095864496=:94147 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i currently have "Black powder Manufacture Methods and Techniques" by Ian Von Maltitz as well as Tom Perigrins book "Introductory Practical Pyrotechnics" wich has a prety good section on makeing BP. Untill i have at least tried the methods in these books I think ill hold off on more how to books on BP. Unless of course the general concensis is that these books are not something a beginner should be useing. I have been told by several pyros that these are indeed reputable books. Please advise on youre opinion. Thanks in advance, Bill . mrgizmo wrote: I would recommend you get the Teleflite book, but yes it is more worthwhile making your own powder, but you CANNOT USE CERAMIC MEDIA, use only lead or even better brass pellets. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill McAlister To: Black Powder rockets discussion list Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [BProckets] Im just getting started in makeing rockets. I would like to make my BP insted of buy it. Is this realy feesable time and money wise? I have an exelent ball mill and ceramic media. the ball mill is about 1 gal capasity. How much would you recomend makeing for a first time batch. ..I plan on makeing 4lbs rockets Any sugestions or first time traps to avoid? flint hapirat wrote: Just a slow start. Flint --- mrgizmo wrote: > Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting > projects going on.> _______________________________________________ > BProckets mailing list > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ BProckets mailing list BProckets@amateurrocketry.com http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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i currently have "Black powder Manufacture Methods and Techniques" by Ian Von Maltitz as well as Tom Perigrins book "Introductory Practical Pyrotechnics" wich has a prety good section on makeing BP.
 
Untill i have at least tried the methods in these books I think ill hold off on more how to  books on BP. Unless of course the general concensis is that these books are not something a beginner should be useing. I have been told by several pyros that these are indeed reputable books.
 
Please advise on youre opinion.
Thanks in advance, Bill .

mrgizmo <mrgizmo@vianet.ca> wrote:
  I would recommend you get the Teleflite book, but yes it is more worthwhile making your own powder, but you CANNOT USE CERAMIC MEDIA, use only lead or even better brass pellets.
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Im just getting started in makeing rockets. I would like to make my BP insted of buy it. Is this realy feesable time and money wise? I have an exelent ball mill and ceramic media. the ball mill is about 1 gal capasity. How much would you recomend makeing for a first time batch. ..I plan on makeing 4lbs rockets
 
Any sugestions or first time traps to avoid?

flint hapirat <flinthapirat@yahoo.com> wrote:
Just a slow start.
Flint
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> Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting
> projects going on.>
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-325827845-1095864496=:94147-- From DanDurachko@PSU.edu Wed Sep 22 07:59:49 2004 Received: from f05n03.cac.psu.edu (f05s03.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.46]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MExnWq015391 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 07:59:49 -0700 Received: from durachkosdell ([128.118.84.66]) by f05n03.cac.psu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8MF1Y0x103700 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:01:34 -0400 From: "Dan Durachko" To: "'Black Powder rockets discussion list'" Subject: RE: [BProckets] Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:01:34 -0400 Message-ID: <003401c4a0b5$0d5a8f60$42547680@durachkosdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C4A093.8648EF60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20040922144816.357.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:59:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C4A093.8648EF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Those are indeed reputable books but Sleeter's book covers much, much, much more than propellants. I strongly suggest you increase your library by at least one book and that book be Sleeter's. Just my opinion. Ultimate decision is up to you. And yes - "NO CERAMIC MEDIA" for milling your BP. Can't hurt to reiterate that important item!!! Safety ALWAYS above ALL else. i currently have "Black powder Manufacture Methods and Techniques" by Ian Von Maltitz as well as Tom Perigrins book "Introductory Practical Pyrotechnics" wich has a prety good section on makeing BP. Untill i have at least tried the methods in these books I think ill hold off on more how to books on BP. Unless of course the general concensis is that these books are not something a beginner should be useing. I have been told by several pyros that these are indeed reputable books. Please advise on youre opinion. Thanks in advance, Bill . I would recommend you get the Teleflite book, but yes it is more worthwhile making your own powder, but you CANNOT USE CERAMIC MEDIA, use only lead or even better brass pellets. Im just getting started in makeing rockets. I would like to make my BP insted of buy it. Is this realy feesable time and money wise? I have an exelent ball mill and ceramic media. the ball mill is about 1 gal capasity. How much would you recomend makeing for a first time batch. ..I plan on makeing 4lbs rockets Any sugestions or first time traps to avoid? ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C4A093.8648EF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Those are indeed reputable books = but Sleeter’s book covers much, much, much more = than propellants.  I strongly = suggest you increase your library by at least one book and that book be Sleeter’s.  Just my = opinion.  Ultimate decision is up to = you.

 

And yes - = “NO CERAMIC MEDIA” for milling your BP.  Can’t = hurt to reiterate that important item!!!  Safety ALWAYS above ALL else.

 

i currently have "Black powder Manufacture Methods and = Techniques" by Ian Von Maltitz as well as Tom Perigrins book "Introductory = Practical Pyrotechnics" wich has a prety good section on makeing = BP.

 

Untill i have at least tried the methods in = these books I think ill hold off on more how to  books on BP. Unless of = course the general concensis is that these books are not something a beginner = should be useing. I have been told by several pyros that these are indeed = reputable books.

 

Please advise on youre = opinion.

Thanks in advance, Bill = .

  I would recommend you get the Teleflite book, but yes it = is more worthwhile making your own powder, but you CANNOT USE CERAMIC MEDIA, use = only lead or even better brass pellets.

 

=

 =

Im just getting started in makeing rockets. I would = like to make my BP insted of buy it. Is this realy feesable time and money wise? = I have an exelent ball mill and ceramic media. the ball mill is about 1 gal = capasity. How much would you recomend makeing for a first time batch. ..I plan on = makeing 4lbs rockets

 

Any sugestions or first time traps to avoid? =  

------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C4A093.8648EF60-- From DanDurachko@PSU.edu Wed Sep 22 08:04:08 2004 Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (f04s07.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.35]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MF47Wq015425 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:04:07 -0700 Received: from durachkosdell ([128.118.84.66]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8MF5sbF116570 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:05:54 -0400 From: "Dan Durachko" To: "'Black Powder rockets discussion list'" Subject: RE: [BProckets] Growing Pains . . . Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:05:53 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c4a0b5$a7cb74b0$42547680@durachkosdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <01f401c4a0cb$c802d2d0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:04:08 -0000 So how do you deserve the name "Mr. Gizmo" if you don't have a more sophisticated mechanism for motor testing than a carpet tube roll? ;^) Smoke and flames . . . ahhh - that's what it's really all about, isn't it? Nozzle side up? Ah . . . that's no fun!!! :-O ****************************** For testing mine I use a tube from a roll of carpet, they are very thick and will survive many motor tests. Its also pretty cool to see the flames and smoke comming out of it, just make sure, nozzle side up. > >>>Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting projects going on. > > >>I'm anxiously awaiting the launch of my first rocket built using the > info in Sleeter's book. > >>It'll be awhile but I'll post results when I have them. If I find the > time it'll be in a couple of weeks. > > >Which one are you planning on making? Are you at the testing phase yet? > > I have EVERYTHING made but a test stand and need to actually ram (pack) > my test engine(s). > > I'm making the suggested first engine - a KG3-26. Just have very little > time lately to proceed further. > > I'll be posting my tests, etc. on my personal website in the form of > text and videos. I'll notify this group when I post the information on > my website. > > Also, I'll be auctioning off a full set of high quality tooling on eBay. > (I made two while I was at it.) From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Wed Sep 22 08:23:38 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8MFNcWq015482 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 08:23:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 32124 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 15:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 15:25:24 -0000 Message-ID: <023901c4a0d1$d4ab9480$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: "Black Powder rockets discussion list" References: <003901c4a0b5$a7cb74b0$42547680@durachkosdell> Subject: Re: [BProckets] Growing Pains . . . Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:27:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:23:38 -0000 I guess I got the name from comming up with unusually simple and cheap ideas to make things work. I will tell you about my $1 rocket cornfield beeper someday. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Durachko" To: "'Black Powder rockets discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: RE: [BProckets] Growing Pains . . . > So how do you deserve the name "Mr. Gizmo" if you don't have a more > sophisticated mechanism for motor testing than a carpet tube roll? ;^) > > Smoke and flames . . . ahhh - that's what it's really all about, isn't > it? > > Nozzle side up? Ah . . . that's no fun!!! :-O > > ****************************** > > For testing mine I use a tube from a roll of carpet, they are very thick > and > will survive many motor tests. Its also pretty cool to see the flames > and > smoke comming out of it, just make sure, nozzle side up. > > > >>>Man this group is dead lately. Any interesting projects going on. > > > > >>I'm anxiously awaiting the launch of my first rocket built using the > > info in Sleeter's book. > > >>It'll be awhile but I'll post results when I have them. If I find > the > > time it'll be in a couple of weeks. > > > > >Which one are you planning on making? Are you at the testing phase > yet? > > > > I have EVERYTHING made but a test stand and need to actually ram > (pack) > > my test engine(s). > > > > I'm making the suggested first engine - a KG3-26. Just have very > little > > time lately to proceed further. > > > > I'll be posting my tests, etc. on my personal website in the form of > > text and videos. I'll notify this group when I post the information > on > > my website. > > > > Also, I'll be auctioning off a full set of high quality tooling on > eBay. > > (I made two while I was at it.) > > > _______________________________________________ > BProckets mailing list > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > From mrgizmo@vianet.ca Wed Sep 22 09:06:50 2004 Received: from smtp.vianet.ca (smtp.vianet.ca [209.91.128.40]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8MG6oWq015615 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:06:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 6803 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2004 16:08:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO access875d77qe) (66.186.72.56) by smtp.vianet.ca with SMTP; 22 Sep 2004 16:08:36 -0000 Message-ID: <027101c4a0d7$ddbe5e30$3848ba42@access875d77qe> From: "mrgizmo" To: "Black Powder rockets discussion list" References: <1ed.2b370a56.2e7f0ae3@aol.com> Subject: Re: [BProckets] New yahoo group Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:10:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_026E_01C4A09D.31539F50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:06:51 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_026E_01C4A09D.31539F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just created a yahoo group so you can post your rocket pics, links = ect.. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bprockets/ ------=_NextPart_000_026E_01C4A09D.31539F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_026E_01C4A09D.31539F50-- From dmccue@uci.edu Wed Sep 22 09:18:51 2004 Received: from Linserve.due.uci.edu (admin60.due.uci.edu [128.200.182.60]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MGIpWq015684 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:18:51 -0700 Received: from Linserve.due.uci.edu (Linserve.due.uci.edu [127.0.0.1]) by Linserve.due.uci.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MGG3Ol001056 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:16:03 -0700 Received: from localhost (dmccue@localhost)i8MGG31B001052 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:16:03 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: Linserve.due.uci.edu: dmccue owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave McCue X-X-Sender: dmccue@Linserve.due.uci.edu To: Black Powder rockets discussion list Subject: Re: [BProckets] New yahoo group In-Reply-To: <027101c4a0d7$ddbe5e30$3848ba42@access875d77qe> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:18:51 -0000 On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, mrgizmo wrote: > I just created a yahoo group so you can post your rocket pics, links ect.. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bprockets/ FYI, there is no need to resort to yahoo groups, pictures may be posted to this list. Please just keep the image size under 50KB or so, to avoid clogging mail boxes. I would also be happy to set up a companion list for pictures. I should point out that this list has a web archive (which would be true of a pictures area as well) so the functionality of a pictures area is available locally. I have been more that a bit busy lately (I work at a collage and it is the start of a new school year) but I will post a list member's guide shortly. Dave McCue, list minder guy From DanDurachko@PSU.edu Wed Sep 22 09:20:25 2004 Received: from f05n03.cac.psu.edu (f05s03.cac.psu.edu [128.118.141.46]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MGKPWq015699 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:20:25 -0700 Received: from durachkosdell ([128.118.84.66]) by f05n03.cac.psu.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8MGMBLJ051388 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:22:11 -0400 From: "Dan Durachko" To: "'Black Powder rockets discussion list'" Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:22:10 -0400 Message-ID: <004601c4a0c0$5015d6b0$42547680@durachkosdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <023901c4a0d1$d4ab9480$3848ba42@access875d77qe> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new Subject: [BProckets] $1 Cornfield Beeper? X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:20:25 -0000 No time like the present! ***** I guess I got the name from comming up with unusually simple and cheap ideas to make things work. I will tell you about my $1 rocket cornfield beeper someday. ***** > So how do you deserve the name "Mr. Gizmo" if you don't have a more > sophisticated mechanism for motor testing than a carpet tube roll? ;^) From dmccue@uci.edu Wed Sep 22 09:23:55 2004 Received: from Linserve.due.uci.edu (admin60.due.uci.edu [128.200.182.60]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MGNsWq015715 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:23:55 -0700 Received: from Linserve.due.uci.edu (Linserve.due.uci.edu [127.0.0.1]) by Linserve.due.uci.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MGL7Ol001082 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:21:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (dmccue@localhost)i8MGL7Ys001078 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:21:07 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: Linserve.due.uci.edu: dmccue owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:21:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave McCue X-X-Sender: dmccue@Linserve.due.uci.edu To: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [BProckets] BIG BP rockets X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:23:55 -0000 I have a question for the group: Does anyone have experience or information about the design and construction of large BP rockets? When I say large, I mean propellant weights of tens to possibly hundreds of pounds. I was told by a pyro friend of a bunch of folks somewhere in the Far East (Thailand?) that make these, so it is possible - -Dave McCue From scubadoo2@verizon.net Wed Sep 22 09:30:08 2004 Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MGU7Wq015743 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:30:08 -0700 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([192.168.1.4]) by out009.verizon.net ESMTP <20040922163154.NCLF23440.out009.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:31:54 -0500 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) From: Doug To: Black Powder rockets discussion list , Subject: Re: [BProckets] BIG BP rockets Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:31:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [192.168.1.4] at Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:31:54 -0500 Message-Id: <20040922163154.NCLF23440.out009.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:30:08 -0000 Have you ever heard of Bruce Steyding? He makes skyrockets classified in the 20 to 60 lb range. I have his video on 20lb rockets. They use about 4 or 5 lbs of fuel each, so the 60lb probably uses between 10 and 20 lbs. DougK > From: Dave McCue > Date: 2004/09/22 Wed PM 12:21:07 EDT > To: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com > Subject: [BProckets] BIG BP rockets > > I have a question for the group: > > Does anyone have experience or information about the design and > construction of large BP rockets? When I say large, I mean propellant > weights of tens to possibly hundreds of pounds. > > I was told by a pyro friend of a bunch of folks somewhere in the Far East > (Thailand?) that make these, so it is possible - > > -Dave McCue > > _______________________________________________ > BProckets mailing list > BProckets@amateurrocketry.com > http://exrocketry.net/mailman/listinfo/bprockets > From terry.mccreary@murraystate.edu Wed Sep 22 09:32:38 2004 Received: from messenger1.murraystate.edu (messenger1.murraystate.edu [216.249.159.14]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i8MGWbWr015759 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:32:38 -0700 Received: from BL410A-93597.murraystate.edu (unverified [216.249.150.43]) by messenger1.murraystate.edu for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:33:36 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.5.0.20040922112753.016a5908@murraystate.edu> X-Sender: terry.mccreary@murraystate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 11:34:23 -0500 To: Black Powder rockets discussion list From: Terry McCreary Subject: Re: [BProckets] In-Reply-To: <20040922144816.357.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> References: <01a301c4a0c2$d2df0fb0$3848ba42@access875d77qe> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: bprockets@amateurrocketry.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Id: Black Powder rockets discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:32:38 -0000 At 07:48 AM 9/22/2004 -0700, you wrote: >i currently have "Black powder Manufacture Methods and Techniques" by Ian >Von Maltitz as well as Tom Perigrins book "Introductory Practical >Pyrotechnics" wich has a prety good section on makeing BP. > >Untill i have at least tried the methods in these books I think ill hold >off on more how to books on BP. Unless of course the general concensis is >that these books are not something a beginner should be useing. I have >been told by several pyros that these are indeed reputable books. > >Please advise on youre opinion. >Thanks in advance, Bill . Hi Bill: You can never be too thin, too rich, or have an amateur's library that is too large... I have Peregrin's book and recommend it highly. One caveat to his techniques for BP: a stainless steel or pyrex (kimax) vessel is strongly recommended. Some coffee carafes are NOT pyrex and can fracture. Even pyrex can break if the vessel has a layer of solids at the bottom, and is heated too quickly (personal experience). Do not try to make too much at one time. BP without dextrin incorporated will crush easily...but it also 'dusts' easily. With dextrin, it's harder to crush but doesn't produce as much dust when ramming dry (which is how many pyros make BP motors). I have not read von Maltitz' book but it has been strongly recommended by some folks on other pyrotechnics groups. Best regards -- terry Dr. Terry McCreary Department of Chemistry Murray State University Murray, KY 42071 270.762.6499 From billmac92364@yahoo.com Wed Sep 22 10:00:46 2004 Received: from web51901.mail.yahoo.com (web51901.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.44]) by mail.exrocketry.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i8MH0jWq015798 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:00:46 -0700 Message-ID: <20040922164525.20683.qmail@web51901.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.29.63.12] by web51901.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:45:25 PDT Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill McAlister Subject: Re: [BProckets] To: Black Powder rockets discussion list In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.0.20040922112753.016a5908@murraystate.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternativ